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The Confederate Flag – Racism or Southern Heritage?

NATIONAL – In the wake of the Charleston South Carolina Church Massacre that claimed the lives of 9 people last Wednesday, controversy over the confederate flag and southern heritage has all but completely eclipsed coverage of grieving families.

RNRF spoke to a few local residents to see if they believe the flag should remain the focus of debate in the aftermath of the horrific attack.

But before we begin, let’s take a moment to remember those whose lives were taken so violently in a place where love and kindness is supposed to overpower evil and hatred.

Rev. Clementa Pinckney, 41, Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45, Cynthia Hurd, 54, Tywanza Sanders, 26, Myra Thompson, 59, Ethel Lee Lance, 70, Rev. Daniel L. Simmons, 74, Rev. Depayne Middleton-Doctor, 49, and Susie Jackson, 87.

Despite expressions of forgiveness by victim’s families, directed at self-proclaimed white supremacist Dylann Roof, politicians, certain media outlets and some retail stores have begun anti-confederate flag campaign. They claim the flag represents racism and that it’s time for it to disappear from state capitals and other public places. That belief hasn’t gone over well with southerners who say the flag is about “Southern Heritage” not racism.

Common belief among those who oppose the confederate flag is that the civil war was about slavery and therefore the flag represents slavery. The fact is, the Civil war was primarily about states’ rights vs government rule; which is exactly what our founding fathers fought for less than a hundred years prior to the civil war. Of course there were other factors, including slavery, but many also forget that even during the civil war, northerners also owned slaves. In addition, many confederate soldiers did not fight for to protect slavery; some even disagreed with the act altogether.

We spoke to a few of our viewers and presented the question; “Do you think the confederate flag represents racism?”

“I’ve got mixed emotions… Unfortunately, in the world we live in people use it out of context. Originally I found it to be about heritage, but with the racism and the media fueling society I feel like a lot of it’s meaning has changed. With anything in life, there are always bad apples though” said Brian Jacobs.

Many, like Jacobs’ believe media hype takes advantage of tragic incidents to propagate ideological belief or fan the flames of an already hypersensitive atmosphere. For example, when people hear of a shark attack, they automatically think of the movie Jaws and blame a Great White Shark. When a white cop shoots and kills a black suspect, whether they are guilty or not, “all cops” become the enemy of society.

Shana C. says “I don’t fly the flag and I’m from the north, but does removing it end racism?” She goes on to say, “I think it’s going to cause more strife between blacks and whites because it’s part of southern heritage and they are not all racists.”

We found the following comments from a recent facebook thread, regarding the elimination of the confederate flag:

Sig Delgado says, “The very idea of the confederacy was racist to it’s core. To say otherwise is a lie.”

Stevie Johns says in response to a previous comment, “You rednecks only rock the flag cause its been around…if the flags gone I’m sure you can find something else to put across your back window of your truck…that flag means nothing…you wanna represent something…Fly an American flag.”

Some say we are going down a path of censorship and if we ban a flag because if offends some of us, then we are opening a Pandora’s Box of political correctness and fascist rule.

What say you Hernando? Should the flag be banned? Does it represent racism? Do you think problem will get worse now that a symbol of the south has been deemed racist?

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  • Hawaii state flag is one thing, maryland’s flag, now…is a whole different kettle of fish and if someone ever tried to explain that thing to me without blaming it on hallucinogens, i’d kick them in the shin. I think i’ll decide to become offended by THAT flag.

    Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 1:15 pm
  • Sid, if you could form a complete sentence it might help you get your point across. Southerners have been flying the Confederate flag for 150 years, we aren’t going to stop now.

    Wednesday, 8 July 2015, 10:30 am
  • You are not going to have a better South carolina , this state is is always going to be ed uckedF UP , this place is for black and white slavery ,this is the most horrible state I have ever lived in , take it from the heart. I’m moving , Thanks to the way Cherokee County treated me toward my Grand sons and daughters. i feel for South Carolinians, that have to live here , fortunately , I don’t have to live here thank god Almighty , DSS of Cherokee County can kiss my ass from now own , they are a bunch of fucked up people . Thats to you ” Kim” at Guardian Care in Gaffney South Carolina , I told the whole DSS and Guardian litem that the Whole state of South Carolina , wasn’t nothing but a racist state , and when i said that they captured me from getting coustody of my Grand son. To Hell with South Carolina, Would rather live in New Jersey any day of the year. you are nothing but slave owners down here.

    Monday, 6 July 2015, 4:22 pm
  • I’m about to come to the conclusion the only way to get out of this Hatred toward Black people is to move back up north, I have Grand Children here in South Carolina one daughter that has all of my Grand Children, I personally Do Not want my Grand children raised up as a racist , but this South Carolina is not a state for me to live in, my children might love it , but I Hate it, I have a place for sell right now in South Carolina if they leave that hatred flag up . I was born in North Carolina , but i was raised in New Jersey whetre me and the Blacls and puerto Ricans got along just fine , I even had Russian Friends and from Czechoslovakia & Turkey , you name the country the people was there , , The south east is the most hatred region of the United States in the USA. , that’s why Iust move if it cannot be changed from the rest of The rest of the United States of America, I served in The USA ARMY and had plenty of foreign friends , they are not has bad as you think they are you southern white trash.

    Monday, 6 July 2015, 3:41 pm
  • If you so call it a Heritage Flag , I just need one answer, why did you wait 100 years after Lincoln became President to erect in on the State Capital building to call it a Heritage Flag? Why did you wait until the civil rights movement began by Martin Luther king in 1962 to fly this Flag on Your capital Building To call it a Heritage Flag? This is the very reason that it is called a Racist Flag of South Carolina. Because it represents Hate , because The Klu Klux Klan carry it at the very front of their protest marches., The white supremacist carry it at their Hate meetings , So this Flag must come down not only from the State building but from the “General Lee on the Dukes of Hazard Dodge Charger”, from the front license tag on every motor vehicle and bicycle ,you southerners hate black people , and it has to stop immediately , before all hell breaks lose , and I know you don’t want that to happen. For your own Good. I’m white , but i can see their point , I dont ‘t believe in Slavery , I believe in paying a man no matter what color his skin to earn an honest pay for an honest days work. The Confederate Flag represents working any people for nothing , or slave wages.!

    Monday, 6 July 2015, 2:32 pm
  • As a blood relative of general robert e lee, last surviving male in bloodline of the man that drafted the virginia constitution, decendant of george washington’s adjutant, kin to hatfields and mccoys, disabled veteran, Southern born of God-fearing coal miner hillbilly redneck pedigree – you cannot take that flag out of my heart, you cannot make it a racist thing to me. It may offend you as such. Well, maybe my very blood offends you, too. Then so be it, there is probably much about what defines you that I could decide to concern myself with, twist, claim to be offended by, attack in false righteous indignation, insult, demonize, vilify…but I don’t. I and every male kin of mine from the founding of this nation have fought for your right to be proud of whoever you may be and honor whatever flag you may wish. I did not pick that flag by choice. As a Southerner – it’s in my DNA! Racism aint good enough to have anything to do with it.

    Thursday, 2 July 2015, 9:09 am
  • AND THAT FOLKS IS WHY WE WENT TO WAR WITH THE INVADERS FROM THE NORTH… The truth is out there but the north got to write the history books cause they won the war; and have Never told the truth!

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 11:29 pm
  • Why is no one talking about the MORRILL TARIFF 0f 1861? That will answer everyone’s question… If you want to learn more REAL HISTORY read THE CORWIN AMENDMENT supported by President Lincoln.
    Ok Ok I know you want me to tell you so here it goes…
    The Morrill Tariff of 1861 was a tax on the Southern States to be increased to 48%. RIDICULOUS RIGHT! Promised that any state that would not pay the taxes would be INVADED and the TAXES would be taken by FORCE with BLOODSHED if necessary. These are words from Lincoln at that time… NOW in that same address Lincoln said he supported The Corwin Amendment and said if the southern states rejoined the Union that the Corwin Amendment would pass and be RATIFIED. The Corwin Amendment would have kept SLAVERY LEGAL in the South FOREVER UNDER the US CONSTITUTION. Lincoln NEVER had any intention of FREEING a SINGLE SLAVE and in fact said the opposite when taking office.. SO THE SOUTH CLEARLY DID NOT SECEDE OVER THE THREAT OF LOSING THE RIGHT TO KEEP SLAVES….

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 11:23 pm
  • Tom that flag did not kill those people. just the same as banning Guns opposed to Liquor for a drunk driver the person pulling the gun or driving drunk is the one who should be held accountable the flag and liquor is just a staple and the flag is Heritage, yes some people Choose to use it for hate .but do we ban Liquor because somebody chooses to drive drunk.

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 7:53 pm
  • As in everything the opinions on this are varied I would suggest a simple resolution. We should put this up for a popular vote and let that decide this question. Instead of listening to the squeaky wheel, this should be put to a vote on the county level.

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 7:08 pm
  • He was also had wrangler jeans and a timex watch and wore a NY Yankees cap, should we bann all those also. ????????????.. The guy was just plain wacko. Talk about stereo typing

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 1:46 pm
  • Really people something is wrong with you…im goin to blame the Atari game pong for my actions for now on…i hear voices and that sound blop blop…im sorry it was the game that made me do it…what a bunch of idiots… “LMFOA”

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 12:55 pm
  • i THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING ENOUGH TO POST.

    History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.

    MYTH – The War of 1861 – 1865 was fought over slavery.

    FACT – Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

    MYTH – Only Southerners owned slaves.

    FACT – Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.

    Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.

    U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn’t free his slaves earlier, Grant stated “Good help is so hard to come by these days.”

    Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased – they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!

    Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called “Emancipation Proclamation” of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.

    FACT – NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.

    BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.

    These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.

    This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.

    FACT – Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.

    The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.

    The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.

    The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.

    The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Stars & Bars”.

    FACT – A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the “Stars & Bars”. The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Southern Cross”.

    MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

    FACT – The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.

    MYTH – The United States Flag represented freedom.

    FACT – No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it’s commodities. It wasn’t until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.

    MYTH – Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

    FACT – While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.

    MYTH – The South revered slavery.

    FACT – A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it’s servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

    MYTH – The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.

    FACT – Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.

    MYTH – Only the North had men of color in their ranks.

    FACT – Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.

    Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.

    MYTH – The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.

    FACT – Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE – NOT HATE.

    MYTH – The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.

    FACT – This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.

    The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK

    Friday, 26 June 2015, 6:53 am
  • Funny, up until the killings at the church in Carolina, no one has ever spoke or even mentioned anything in reference to a FLAG, of any kind. Now, this is all that is on the discussion plate. No one prior to the incident could not have cared less or even thought about the Confederate Flag. Do you all hear yourselves. This is not a race issue. This is about stirring up Controversy and it seems as though retailers like Wal-Mart just had to jump on the bandwagon. This whole controversy is just ridiculous. KEEP THE FLAG UP and move on to what we were doing before all this. This flag is and always will be a part of AMERICAN HISTORY.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 6:42 pm
  • I had another thought today. The flag is simply an object we give it power and by banning it not only are we denying people their right to freedom of expression, but we are also giving it more power than it deserves. This particular version. Of the confederate flag was flown at the very end of the civil war. They used it on the battle field the battles were waged because of their beliefs and yes some of those beliefs were in part to support slavery. I may not agree with slavery or the beliefs they stood for, but to me the flag doesn’t support slavery it supports states and citizens rights to stand up for their beliefs right or wrong. Today its the rebel flag, but tomorrow?

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 6:29 pm
  • Leave the flag alone it might mean racism to some but it is part of the south history find something else to fuse about do something about people who get SSI that could get out and work go after people who get food stamps and buy steaks and other high priced food with them and drive expensive cars and wear expensive clothes and shoes that go out and spend hundreds of dollars on do something about abuseers and rapist that walk the streets and get away with it do something about the drug problem there are so many things that you can worry about more than a flag LET IT FLY and LEAVE IT ALONE

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 5:27 pm
  • If the flag offends you don’t look at it. Also if we take it down should take others flags down the Florida flag as a red X on it should we take it down . I can’t believe that the government is involve in this . Yes it was not right what the kid did . Just remember it all starts at home . Start letting the parents correct the kid with out going to jail. Every one has a right to fly the flag that dose not make them bad . So to every one that it offends don’t look at it and grow up . May God Bless the Family’s for their loss.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 5:18 pm
  • I have read this article and every comment and I’ve notice one thing. Every single person on this thread has a good point. The Confederate flag means something different to each and everyone. The great thing about this country we live in is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The one thing that pisses me off is the fact that no one cared about the flying or sale of this flag until some person with mental issues went crazy and killed 9 innocent people. Now the race baiters are calling for the flag to be removed for what reason? Now the actions of one rastist person speak for everyone that Flys the Confederate flag? They need to stop blaming objects for the actions of people.. guns don’t kill people, cars don’t get drunk and kill people.. people do. There always has to be SOMETHING to blame and it’s bullshit. The man behind all of this is in jail why blame anything other than him for any of this?

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 4:08 pm
    • AMEN! Well said!

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 4:54 pm
  • I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God “INDIVISABLE”with Libery and justice for all. Look it up if you don’t know what indivisible means…,to “tubbs’. Good point about native Americans!!!:

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 2:48 pm
  • HERITAGE NOT HATE!!!

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 1:57 pm
  • Lets ban the term (African American) as well as the confederate flag . They BOTH could represent racism .

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 1:18 pm
  • Leave the flag there. Big deal. So what! Who cares??! We all got bigger problems to deal with in life then some flag. Yes some use it for hate others use it for heritage and showing southern pride. That flag does not effect me or you in any way shape or form. Does it put more $ in your pocket and help you pay for your insurance benefits and retirement plans and food on the table and your rent/ mortgage and taxes??? No it don’t. Leaving it up or taking it down does not change my way of living. Still have to get up every morning and go to work and pay the bills, etc. Should be more things TO discuss and solve then a piece of cloth/ fabric. I feel removing it will just cause more Haturad and disrespect and resentful too others. I fly the American flag . That is my right .I see skulls with the bone/ pirate symbols on people’s mailboxes and windows of trucks and houses should I think and believe oh does not that stand for evil and poison and everything bad?? Once again who cares and just move on. Does not effect or change my life in any way what’s so ever !! Give me a break! And this is coming from a Yankee up North.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:44 pm
  • Anyone that utters the word “N*****” should be charge with a hate crime…. White or Black…

    Funny though, I don’t mind being called a CRACKER!! Is that a raciest hate word????
    When I was a kid, I was called a HONKY…..so what!

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:30 pm
  • It takes more than hatred to kill. It also requires a very low value on life, even one’s own. That flag didn’t contribute to either. But a government that cares so little for all human life is sure to lower that value in everyong, especially those with other problems, be they mental, emotional, or even financial. You want to stop the killing, improve the quality of every life, not just Wall Street.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:26 pm
  • @Gator

    I couldn’t have said it better myself. Tolerance is key.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:11 pm
  • I agree with Gator. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks it represents. As far as it goes if you choose to fly a Nazi party flag in your front yard I support your right to do so. If you choose to fly a black panther flag in your front yard I support your right to do so. Its called the freedom of speech. A constitutional right last I checked and anyone who opposes another persons right to exercise that right is in the wrong.If you don’t like the Confederate flags incorporation in your state or county flag contact your representatives in those branches and make your voice heard, or exercise another one of your constitutional rights and move else where.By supporting a ban on anything like this your being a another American citizens oppressor no matter how you feel about something or what color you are.Also to “The Truth Hurts” they are trying to take our guns from us look outside of major media outlets the feds are doing it through “Operation Choke Point.”

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 11:08 am
  • Tom, unless I’m reading this wrong, you’re perpetuating a myth that the civil war was about “states rights”.

    Unless the founders of the confederacy missed something, the only right they were concerned with was the right to own slaves, have their runaway slaves returned to them, and other rights associated with slave ownership. This is clearly evidenced in the bulk of writings from the time period, and for 100 years prior of the south doing backflips to preserve slavery in our country.

    A few select quotes and anomalies don’t erase the clear intentions of the south from starting a country and a war to preserve slavery. Even a casual perusal of the documents of the time will illustrate this.

    All this “confederate” flag flying and perpetuating myths about “heritage” does nothing but divide us.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 10:56 am
      • There is a lot of history, but no other significant issue. If there was, people would state it without making stuff up. To say it’s about states rights is grossly inaccurate considering the source documents and the CSA constitution which provided a strong central government.

        Thursday, 25 June 2015, 1:52 pm
      • I hate to say, but it appears you are succumbing to pure opinion on the “state’s rights” Myth.

        A hundred years of Jim Crow Laws, which would seem to support your conclusion that the majority in the south “hated” black people.

        The history books do talk about Thomas Jefferson failing in several attempts to outlaw slavery, despite owning slaves.
        They talk about the efforts of the south throughout our early history to maintain slavery.
        They talk about fugitive slave laws and the aggressive tactics to return slaves and those that “might be” slaves.
        They talk about the destruction of the Whig party due to slavery and the abolitionist movement.
        They talk about the two presidents prior to Lincoln being southern sympathizers and the south winning many pro-slavery political victories.
        They talk about Lincoln being elected and in the words of the southern leaders seceding to preserve slavery.
        They talk about the north bending over backwards for years to get the south caught up with the rest of the world.
        You have the CSA constitution which is almost identical as the US with the addition of slavery protection and expansion clauses.

        Those are the history books, then we have the primary source documents that clearly illustrate the war was 95% or more about slavery. That’s not opinion, those are the words of those who caused the war.

        There are always issues between countries, states, etc. Without slavery, there is no war.

        Thursday, 25 June 2015, 4:01 pm
  • Ban the N-word from ALL music!

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:42 am
  • The problem with bringing in “news” from outside this community, is that you’re bound to include stories that are just that — STORIES. This one is one of those STORIES. It’s a hoax, meant to further the agenda of gun control, etc. It’s a psychological operation, or psy-op.

    http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1806

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:00 am
    • No it’s not a hoax…Look up the definition of hoax. They are really taking the flag down. It’s already banned from being sold on Amazon, Walmart, eBay and other retailers. Get a grip Sandradee. It’s not a conspiracy or a “hoax”..It’s really happening dear. No one is trying to take your precious guns from you.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:33 am
      • Hoax = “a malicious deception”

        I’m saying that the incident that brings about this discussion is a malicious deception. I don’t give a **** about a stupid flag. Simply take note that mainstream news has a good share of purposeful falsities.

        Thursday, 25 June 2015, 10:16 am
  • There has to be a reason why our fellow citizens who are black area so far behind in many ways. Statistically, they are more likely to commit crimes, do worse in school etc. Chinese and other Asian groups faced similar discrimination, yet have excelled.

    I’m not sure what is wrong but I know that if a large group of white s “heritage” is a flag representing black slavery, this would seem to be a detriment to their progress.

    If these “heritage” lovers actually knew their history and weren’t racist, they’d find a symbol that truly represented southern hospitality.

    There is no question the civil war was started to preserve slavery. But their flag is good for quickly identifying morons.

    Even if you’re too lazy to read about the history of our country, you have to acknowledge that the “confederate” flag had been used by hate groups for years and the only decent thing to do for our fellow back citizens is to get rid of it.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 8:59 am
  • If you want to say it’s about heritage then we should fly the Union Jack over all public offices across the United States of America, as that is the Mother culture of our country.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 8:03 am
    • Hawaii’s state flag has the union jack in the top left corner, but that’s none of my business…

      Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 3:09 am
  • I was raised in Charleston and from a young age taught about heritage and being proud of where I’m from that’s what the flag represents to me ! The kid that committed the horrific crime was ignorant and had nothing to with a flag. Look and read how Charleston is coming together as a community only hate there is from out of towners who are there stirring the pot

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 6:43 am
  • If u dont like our old glory PLEASE leave y’all came down here this is y u left ur home town u ruined it there. Or they ran u off.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 6:07 am
  • THIS IS MY OPINION!
    To those of you that feel the Confederate flag is an “affront” to their race, religion or ethnicity, and those that find a particular “word” or “gesture”, reason enough to justify any act of violence, I have one thing to say to you, GET A F*@KING LIFE! There are too many things in this world that “WE” as human beings need to start fixing, to ensure our quality of life, and the lives of others. If we invested as much time, working to clean up our environment, helping our neighbors, trying to be tolerant of others, rather than looking for any excuse to incite or cause harm, our world would change for the better. Racism exists because people refuse to put aside past history and move on. I really couldn’t care less that great great grandpa owned slaves or was a slave. I don’t care if my neighbor wants to worship bigfoot as long as he doesn’t demand that I do too! I don’t care if he wants to marry a billy goat as long as it doesn’t affect my life or any of the people I care about. I don’t care what color your skin is, as long as you treat me with the same respect as I’m willing to treat you. I don’t care if your a Democrat or Republican as long as you realize that either one could be a ignorant, stupid asshole. If everyone would be “TOLERANT” of each other and quit trying to impose their beliefs onto others, there would be little conflict in the world.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 4:08 am
    • Well said!

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:40 am
  • It’s a rebel flag….I look at it as a sign of rebellion…lightin’ up people…

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 3:22 am
  • The irony of this rag is, most of the rednecks who fly it around on the back of their big mud trucks, belt buckles or t shirts, have no idea of what it truly stands for. They proudly shout “Heritage! Pride…It’s heritage man!” but when you ask them to elaborate on “heritage”, you will get some dumb, one line, 5th grade answer like it’s their favorite pair of boots that has nothing to do with the origins of the flag. Most are clueless. The ONLY reason they should keep this flag around is to use it as a pattern on toilet paper. It represents failure.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 2:12 am
    • Funny, I have Obamas face as a pattern on my toilet paper !!!! No joke !! If I could post a pic here, I would.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:32 am
  • Furthermore……the confederate flag aka rebel flag to me doesn’t represent racisim it represents a rebelous cause or nature and with that meaning is a form of self expression. As a true Born southerner the flag represents something required as an American citizen and that is to keep our country in check and stand up for what we believe in such as liberty and freedom.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:39 am
  • Heritage vs racisim

    The flag does not represent racisim and I find it outrageous that people think by removing it all of a sudden the world will be a better place. I love all people and I hate ignorance. I find it absurd when I read the words ” Black America” and “Black Tumblr” I am sure some where there is also a reference to a “Black Facebook”. I have also read posts from ” black Tumblr” regarding how African Americans would like to be treated. Why are these things labled for one race by that race? Why is it not just America or Tumblr these are not white people calling it black anything. It makes no sense why a culture that wants to be included and looked upon as just another person segregates themselves in this manner. Also while I’m on my soap box I got curious and researched my own stastics and come to find out more white people die at the hands of black people and yet everyone seems to ignore it?

    If the thoughts that stem from my own individuality make some of you think I’m a racist then so be it. Personally I love everyone regardless of race or religion.

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:34 am
  • The Conferderate Flag does not represent racisim it represents American Treason in the name of a Confederate that did not want to end slavery. So as in any act of treason I say we put it away as part of our history next to all the Confederate money that is no longer circulating. It is not a offical flag for any Southern State I Know of so if its the South ur proud of wave the flag of your Southern Origin State…I dont recall a Northren..Western..or Eastern Flag away with it… who flies a Nazi flag and proclaims German pride? Exactly

    Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:31 am
  • Thank you Steven Wilkins…..best answer.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 11:50 pm
  • many a good man went to war carring that banner both white an black men carried the confederate flag,history is warpped ,short to remember thru the fog of war an why they fought an died .the flag only represence southern pride ,its not raciest,the race batters are trying to make this into much much more. saty the course another story will take its place.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 11:05 pm
    • the race baiters are trying to use the flag to cause trouble, because the people of south Carolina wont agree with them. They wont let them cause riots, so there using another tool.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 2:00 pm
  • The civil war was fought to expand and preserve slavery. There is zero evidence it was for states rights. The csa constitution, outlines a string central gov, and makes outlawing slavery illegal.

    To say it’s about heritage is a stretch. If they weren’t racist they’d fly the flag of the first Alabama Calvary.

    The documents of secession and the letters attempting to negotiate peace are very clear. No other significant issue was discussed. No slavery, no war.

    The states rights claim is laughable and demonstrates a gross ignorance of the house of the civil war and all the years leading up to it.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 10:52 pm
  • If ya don’t like it don’t look at it or buy it. to hate is to hate. Doesn’t matter what flag you’re waving and racism goes both ways. But just because all racists are bigots,don’t make all bigots racist .

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 10:29 pm
    • ^^^ And here’s a perfect example^^^

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 2:18 am
  • I always thought the confederate flag represented Red Necks-Oops! History was never one of my fonder classes.
    I think the American Flag should be the only flag that represents the U.S, North, South,East and West, U.S flag alone speaks volumes.
    However freedom of speech, if you want to hang it from your pick up truck or home you have that right.
    One final thought…..Racism is such a Ugly thing, we are all one, I love everyone with the exception of mean people, they suck!

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 10:29 pm
  • Heritage!! History is History.. That flag has nothing to do with that young man’s mental problems!!That flag did not kill those poor people..a sick mind did…

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 10:28 pm
  • -I’m a white man from the South and I do think this flag represents racism in current times and this is why many rednecks like it. I get that the flag has southern history and all but the south lost and the north won and now we Are THE UNITED STATES and not anything else. Having this flag around and flow on government property is also disrespectful to past and current military who protected our freedom in the past, present, and the future. The confederatcy was an enemy of the Union and the union is now the USA. So keeping this symbol around is flat out wrong. Since the history these southerners are trying to preseve is one of an enemy nation and hatered. There is no need for it. People need to drop there sticks and weapons and be united in there local community and as a nation since we are the United States Of America. If you are racists you would leave this country because this country is a deverse nation and its multi-race population will grown and grown so, both side need to realize it before it destroys us all. Take the flag down and give alliances to the USA and Old Glory.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 9:06 pm
  • I am with you Gail this is just another example of the minority voicing their desires and the majority looses another freedom. The flag good bad or indifferent is part of our country’s history

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 8:28 pm
  • I’m a yank from up north and I do think maybe we shouldn’t fly the southern republic state flag on government property. With that being said, I’m a history buff and do believe that era was and is an important part of history and of this country. We can’t forget about it or that flag. Anyone that wants to fly it on private property shouldn’t bother anyone.

    If that symbol is so offensive to people, we should stop flying the U.S. flag over our capital and all public property considering that was the flag that was flying when the hateful Government Federal troops slaughtered the owners of North America, the Native American Indians at wounded knee in South Dakota. That genocide happened In 1890, long after the civil war.

    I don’t hear any Native Americans telling us that the flag is hurtful and full of bad memory’s… they moved on from the conflict and history and moved forward. Exactly what my good African Americans friends should do. I think too many people are using this symbol as their excuse for their own personal shortcomings.
    We have to have reminders sometimes whether we like it or not so history does not repeat itself.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 8:00 pm
    • very well put. you cannot change history. we must all learn from it.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 9:00 am
  • if the Confederate battle flag means hate than the swastika must mean peace and love this is total BS white trash has turned the flag into hate remove head from ass and realize that flag is part of history and had nothing to do with slavery it’s time to get off the soapbox and stop crying foul about the past it’s time to move on the more you live in the past the more you will never move on. do you hear people screaming and crying over the Union Jack do you hear Native Americans screaming and crying over the American flag No it’s time for people to get over it . guns do not kill people people kill people the gun is just nothing but a tool .

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 7:40 pm
    • I agree with you completely. well said. Regardless the flag is part of our history. Everyones history that lives in the US. Just because some may be offended by history doesn’t mean we do not teach it or make it go away.

      Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 8:25 pm
  • Hey Kimberly Harris, the south is surely one of the most beautiful parts of this great country, I agree. Then why fly a flag that so many of us see as a symbol of racism and hatred? What happened to the good old red, white and blue that symbolizes freedom, unity and bravery?

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 7:13 pm
    • Hah. You sir or madame are delusional. The good old R,W & B does not stand for freedom, unity and bravery. It stands for economic slavery, a divisive government and bullying. Think about what was happening in the capitol while everyone was carrying on about this flag. They voted to fast track the Trade agreement ( even more economic slavery for all), Eric “My People” Holder and Barack (Could have been my son) Obama spoke to widen even more the racial divide, (it’s worse than I have ever seen in my lifetime), and as ever we feel that is anyone disagrees with us (whether it’s a group, another country, whoever) they are morally wrong and in the words of Oprah “need to just die”. Yeah here we go alright.

      Tuesday, 30 June 2015, 12:50 pm
  • Honestly it represents hate in my tiny little opinion. It should be flown on no government property ever. Truth be told, I find this topic quite amusing because I joke all the time about wanting to burn it 🙂

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 7:04 pm
  • PC run a muck! The flag is not the problem! The Racebaitors on BOTH sides just can’t let the flames die! Most AMERICANS are not racists! In fact the USA is one of the least racist countries in the world!

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 6:44 pm
  • via Wikipedia

    “Cornerstone Speech” by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861

    “The Cornerstone Speech became so known for Stephens’ assertion:

    Our new Government….cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 6:19 pm
    • I can’t take anyone seriously that uses wikipedia. Wikipedia does not provide facts, it provides many different answers and opinions from many different people. Wikipedia is like google not factual.

      Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 8:21 pm
      • That’s not true. Wikipedia has come along way, and now moderates their pages. Every page has sources listed at the bottom, so users can verify the facts for themselves. Don’t start jumping on someone for using Wikipedia, if you are not INFORMED YOURSELF.

        Thanks.

        Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 9:45 pm
    • Gen. Ulysses S. Grant on the reason for the War: “The sole object of this war is to restore the union. Should I become convinced it has any other object, or that the Government designs using its soldiers to execute the wishes of the Abolitionists, I pledge you my honor as a man and a soldier I would resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side.”

      H.L. Mencken on Lincoln’s “Gettysburg Address”: “It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives ‘to the cause of self-determination — that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves.”

      During one of the Lincoln/Douglas debates, Abraham Lincoln said, “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of … making voters or jurors of Negroes nor of qualifying them to hold office nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”

      On the constitutional right of secession, Abraham Lincoln stated on the floor of the U.S. Congress in January, 1848: ““Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right—a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.”

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 2:56 pm
      • Nice, but Lincoln didn’t start the war, in fact he wasn’t even in office when the southern states started seceding. If you continue your reading to the folks that started the war, you’ll read that they did this to preserve slavery. Yes, to the north it was to preserve the Union, but Lincoln was elected because of his abolitionist and no expansion of slavery stance.

        The south in their words seceded to preserve slavery. They saw this as their only chance to preserve their evil institution.

        Thursday, 25 June 2015, 4:05 pm
        • South Carolina was the first state to leave the Union and did so in December of 1860 because of the election of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln was elected with no electoral votes from the South, in fact his name was not even on the ballot in some Southern states. While you are correct, Lincoln was against the spread of slavery he was NOT an Abolitionist. In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation did not extend to the border states that allowed slavery and did not leave the Union.

          Tuesday, 30 June 2015, 8:25 am
    • White people are far from superior, sneaky and cut throat superior naw

      Tuesday, 23 May 2017, 7:13 pm
  • Definitely heritage!!! I was also born and raised iin the South and am 100% NOT racist. But, we as a nation, have become too “politically correct” in so many ways. When I lived in Massachusetts, there were no more Christmas parties in schools, Christmas vacation, Christmas displays on public property — all because of offending someone. Prayer was taken out of schools, sporting events, etc. If this flag is taken away from those of us who want it, then what’s next? Things will just keep on being taken away because “someone” is offended. Leave the flag alone!!!

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:59 pm
  • Hey Stevie Johns u want ketch -up with those words

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:53 pm
  • Southern heritage. Proud of my southern ancestors. The south is beautiful.,and so is our flag. Keep it flying.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:46 pm
    • From the designer of the Confederate National flags: “The White Man’s Flag.” “As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause,” Thompson wrote in 1863.

      If that’s what you’re proud of, well… there’s nothing much to say.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 12:06 pm
  • If the flying of the Confederate Battle Flag offends you, I’ll take it “DOWN” just as soon as the young men, that think it is cool to wear their pants down around their crotch, pull their pants “UP”! THAT OFFENDS ME!

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:43 pm
    • Like that Idea!! The media is blowing it all up and creating more problems as usual.. I don`t like those with their pants at half mast either..

      Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 7:19 pm
  • Banning the flag would be unconstitutional, there is no way it would hold up. I was somewhat indifferent, but now that I see politicians and race baiters trying to push an agenda, I may get one painted on my car. Give the crybabies a glass of milk and send them to bed. What if some idiot draws inspiration from depictions of founding fathers that owned slaves, do we remove them from the history books? This is a terrible slope we have started to slide down.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:35 pm
  • Absolutely not! Sometimes I feel the media does more harm than good. As long as the media continues to give face and airtime to folks like
    Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, we will continue to have problems. I applaud the folks in South Carolina of all races that have come together to pray about this tragic event. Peacefully is the appropriate way to express your feelings and/or opinions on the subject.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:23 pm
  • Heritage! To a lot of people would be like taking the american flag down.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:19 pm
  • It should not be flown on any government property. No foreign country’s flag should be. What people do on their private property is their own business.

    And yes, as the 1950s, it has become a symbol of white supremacy. Although the design is incorporated in to several southern state flags, after the Civil War the flag itself was rarely displayed. It did not make its resurgence until the 1950s when desegregation was mandated in the south. So yes, today it is a symbol of racism. It certainly was to the KKK and Dylann Roof, and they should know.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:16 pm
  • The Confederate flag did not kill those people in SC, nor did a gun, A disturbed young man did. If he had waited in the parking lot and run them all down with his car, would people be calling for a ban on Chevys or Fords? The British oppressed the colonists, are we banning everything with a British flag on it?
    For better or worse, the Confederacy is a part of our history. We have to learn from the mistakes of the past and move forward to a better future

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:11 pm
  • I have to agree with the President this one time…it belongs in a museum. It would make a lot of people happy to see it come down, but preserving it for posterity is the right move. Lots of history behind the origins, but it’s time has come and gone.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:08 pm
  • Heritage! Mine is still flying.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 4:07 pm
  • Heritage! I was born and raised in the south. I love the country life. I know there are those that use this flag for their own personal hate, but that is not the majority. Removing all signs of this flag is wrong. There are things that offend me, but I do not ask for those things to be removed. If we remove everything that offends someone we would have nothing left. Our confederate flag is part of history, you cannot erase it. I hope the retailers who are removing everything to do with this flag go out of business from lack of business. It would serve them right.

    Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 3:58 pm
    • The flag may belong in a museum, but it certainly doesn’t belong in or around gov buildings. It’s a disgusting reminder of the darkest part of our history. Those who glorify it are either racist bullies or simply ignorant of it’s history.

      From the SC secession document: “The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.”

      The whole thing is about slavery. Now did they have a right to secede? Maybe, but their reasons were not moral. They were evil. The flags associated represent this evil.

      Using a slavery icon to demonstrate heritage is just lazy.

      Thursday, 25 June 2015, 11:05 am
      • The people of the Phillipines, Iran, Libya and elsewhere feel the same about the American flag too.

        Friday, 9 September 2016, 9:51 am

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